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Reply: Android: Netrunner:: General:: Re: NBN: Near Earth Hub (Broadcast Center) is 673-288 (70.03% win rate)
by jageroxorz
Shango02 wrote:
jageroxorz wrote:
Shango02 wrote:
jageroxorz wrote:
I don't think anyone is saying NEH is 100% greatest ever OP everyone has to play it.
However, it takes what is currently one of the most successful tournament deck-types and makes it a little better.
I think it's definitely better than TWIY. Unless you hate Asset economy or are deathly scared of Security Testing, there's no real reason to run TWIY over NEH IMO.
However, it takes what is currently one of the most successful tournament deck-types and makes it a little better.
I think it's definitely better than TWIY. Unless you hate Asset economy or are deathly scared of Security Testing, there's no real reason to run TWIY over NEH IMO.
Bigger deck size is a consistency killer. Fast advance NBN isn't very scary as an archetype if they can't score an Astroscript in the early game. Smaller deck size leads to having that Astroscript more often. As I said above, TWiY still seems slightly faster than NEH, and NEH gains stronger defenses against mid and late game rigs, giving up ground to Whizzard and Security Testing. TWiY is the hyper-aggro deck: score two astros before they get their rig fully built, and leaky centrals don't matter.
I would argue that NEH is better consistency-wise than TWIY.
If TWIY can't score an early astro, you lose. You have nothing for mid/late game.
NEH has a lot more room to maneuver.
Personally, my NEH is much more consistent than my TWIY.
The chances of having an Astroscript in your opening hand or drawing one within the first 5-8 turns (depending on how many cards you draw with NEH's ability) is simply higher with TWiY. I'm not really going to repeat myself here, sounds like you didn't read what I wrote very carefully?
If you believe the speed of TWiY is not as strong as more influence to plug some of the holes in the ice package, that's one thing. You are sacrificing speed for security, that's all.
No, you didn't read what I wrote carefully. You're only examining one case (You have to draw an astro early). If you DON'T, TWIY falls flat compared to NEH. You get better ice (with extra influence) and more economy to rez better ice.
So, when you don't get an astro, NEH is much, much, much better than TWIY.
Consistency-wise, I win more with NEH than I do with TWIY. It's not only a case of "How early do you get your first astro". With NEH, I don't NEED an early astro to win. With TWIY, it's practically a necessity.
Ergo, NEH is more consistent for the set of all games.
You can disagree, but please don't condescendingly accuse me of not reading your post when you clearly didn't understand mine.
Of course you're sacrificing some speed for more security. The question is, is the "sacrifice" worth it, and does it make a more consistent deck? I believe the answer is "Yes".
If you want to run a deck that has a greater chance of getting an early astro, then I'd play TWIY. If I want a deck that has a greater chance of winning, I'd play NEH.
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Reply: Android: Netrunner:: General:: Re: NBN: Near Earth Hub (Broadcast Center) is 673-288 (70.03% win rate)
by jageroxorz
And it's easy to make a NEH identity where you are drawing a new card every turn. Especially in the beginning.After 7-8 turns, I've already usually had an effective deck 5 cards lower due to extra draws. And I get to choose what cards to trash if I need to trash cards.
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Reply: Android: Netrunner:: Rules:: Re: [PSA] Using clicks to activate abilities on cards
by Polynomial79
It's almost like they posted the same question multiple times, just by spending a single click... :p↧
Reply: Android: Netrunner:: General:: Re: NBN: Near Earth Hub (Broadcast Center) is 673-288 (70.03% win rate)
by bigloo33
No jokes, I've had 4 games in a row with Nasir where this was true. And WHO RUNS AMAZON INDUSTRIAL ZONE?!
Tu, I have actually been considering it with all the Next/Mother Goddess stuff. Pop out all the Next, for free, and have it at full synergistic strength, right off. Could be fun, if not playing a parasite deck.
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Reply: Android: Netrunner:: General:: Re: NBN: Near Earth Hub (Broadcast Center) is 673-288 (70.03% win rate)
by Tuism
I agree on Near Earth Hub. It's practically all good with no bad, as long as you weren't planning on tracing that often.I don't understand why TWIY is so handicapped compared to NEH. In fact I wondered the same thing when it came out first, comparing directly to Chaos Theory, for example. Is the runner corp balance so off that a clear discrepancy is needed for the corp side to be "balanced"? Then something like NEH comes along.
The only reasonable explanation I have is that ffg wants whizzard to be an actual force of contention. But I've beaten whizzard decks with NEH consistently. It just plays slightly differently.
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Reply: Android: Netrunner:: General:: Re: NBN: Near Earth Hub (Broadcast Center) is 673-288 (70.03% win rate)
by Tuism
bigloo33 wrote:
No jokes, I've had 4 games in a row with Nasir where this was true. And WHO RUNS AMAZON INDUSTRIAL ZONE?!
Tu, I have actually been considering it with all the Next/Mother Goddess stuff. Pop out all the Next, for free, and have it at full synergistic strength, right off. Could be fun, if not playing a parasite deck.
Oh it's gonna see a lot more play soon, especially with blue sun. And if bad pub blackmail deck becomes a thing. And what you're talking about... Don't really need AIZ, it would run without, really.
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Reply: Android: Netrunner:: General:: Re: NBN: Near Earth Hub (Broadcast Center) is 673-288 (70.03% win rate)
by Shango02
jageroxorz wrote:
Shango02 wrote:
jageroxorz wrote:
Shango02 wrote:
jageroxorz wrote:
I don't think anyone is saying NEH is 100% greatest ever OP everyone has to play it.
However, it takes what is currently one of the most successful tournament deck-types and makes it a little better.
I think it's definitely better than TWIY. Unless you hate Asset economy or are deathly scared of Security Testing, there's no real reason to run TWIY over NEH IMO.
However, it takes what is currently one of the most successful tournament deck-types and makes it a little better.
I think it's definitely better than TWIY. Unless you hate Asset economy or are deathly scared of Security Testing, there's no real reason to run TWIY over NEH IMO.
Bigger deck size is a consistency killer. Fast advance NBN isn't very scary as an archetype if they can't score an Astroscript in the early game. Smaller deck size leads to having that Astroscript more often. As I said above, TWiY still seems slightly faster than NEH, and NEH gains stronger defenses against mid and late game rigs, giving up ground to Whizzard and Security Testing. TWiY is the hyper-aggro deck: score two astros before they get their rig fully built, and leaky centrals don't matter.
I would argue that NEH is better consistency-wise than TWIY.
If TWIY can't score an early astro, you lose. You have nothing for mid/late game.
NEH has a lot more room to maneuver.
Personally, my NEH is much more consistent than my TWIY.
The chances of having an Astroscript in your opening hand or drawing one within the first 5-8 turns (depending on how many cards you draw with NEH's ability) is simply higher with TWiY. I'm not really going to repeat myself here, sounds like you didn't read what I wrote very carefully?
If you believe the speed of TWiY is not as strong as more influence to plug some of the holes in the ice package, that's one thing. You are sacrificing speed for security, that's all.
No, you didn't read what I wrote carefully. You're only examining one case (You have to draw an astro early). If you DON'T, TWIY falls flat compared to NEH. You get better ice (with extra influence) and more economy to rez better ice.
So, when you don't get an astro, NEH is much, much, much better than TWIY.
Consistency-wise, I win more with NEH than I do with TWIY. It's not only a case of "How early do you get your first astro". With NEH, I don't NEED an early astro to win. With TWIY, it's practically a necessity.
Ergo, NEH is more consistent for the set of all games.
You can disagree, but please don't condescendingly accuse me of not reading your post when you clearly didn't understand mine.
Of course you're sacrificing some speed for more security. The question is, is the "sacrifice" worth it, and does it make a more consistent deck? I believe the answer is "Yes".
If you want to run a deck that has a greater chance of getting an early astro, then I'd play TWIY. If I want a deck that has a greater chance of winning, I'd play NEH.
First, your personal experience with the deck has no bearing on a theoretical discussion. I'm not saying, "I win more with TWiY therefore it's better..." in fact, I'm not even saying TWiY is better than NEH.
I don't know you, your skill level, your opponents skill levels, or how much luck was on your side or theirs in the games you say you have won with NEH over TWiY. Your personal experience with the deck doesn't really do any of us any good without more data and verification than anyone on a forum is willing to wade through. One local area's champion is another local area's scrub, and so on and so forth. Again, NOT saying you are a scrub, I'm saying I have no way of knowing, and therefore the information is meaningless.
You told me that NEH is more consistent than TWiY, when I had already explained why that is the opposite. So it seemed like you hadn't really read my first points about it.
As far as NEH not needing to score an early Astroscript, I'm not sure there is any NBN deck (that doesn't intend to scorch someone out) that does NOT need to score an early astroscript. Otherwise, why aren't you playing HBFA? They have a much stronger mid/late game than NBN does, with much better ice options now that NEXT Silver exists. In fact, the reason that HB was the Fast Advance deck of choice for so long is that NBN struggled in games where they couldn't rush two Astros before the runner had a rig built, and they needed to splash a lot of ice. Wraparound, Fast Track, and Sweeps Week have changed the game a lot, you don't need to build NBN like HB anymore.
One last time just to drive it home, I'm not saying TWiY is better than NEH, I'm simply saying I think the jury is out, and nothing you've said so far has convinced me otherwise.
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Reply: Android: Netrunner:: News:: Re: Ooooh ... Alt Art Plascrete
by Thommy8
Plascrete... drool...↧
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Reply: Android: Netrunner:: General:: Re: Seeking: Minneapolis Casual A:NR Players
by exuviaemusic
I'll see all you Mead Hall Androids tomorrow!↧
Reply: Android: Netrunner:: News:: Re: Ooooh ... Alt Art Plascrete
by claylarsen
So...this seems to lend credence to the idea that the next big box will be NBN/Anarch.Store Champion Kit: 1 HB box and 1 Shaper box (Creation and Control)
Season 1 kit: 1 Jinteki box and 1 Criminal box (Honor and Profit)
Summer Season kit: 1 NBN box and 1 Anarch box (next big box expansion?)
Winter Season kit: 4 Weyland boxes
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Reply: Android: Netrunner:: News:: Re: Ooooh ... Alt Art Plascrete
by Maghd
I'm glad they finally made a playmat where the subject is not smack dab in the middle of the image.↧
Reply: Android: Netrunner:: Rules:: Re: [PSA] Using clicks to activate abilities on cards
by endgame
cardsbydizzle wrote:
It's very different then anything else. Ever.
Except for a certain dead CCG...
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Reply: Android: Netrunner:: General:: Re: NBN: Near Earth Hub (Broadcast Center) is 673-288 (70.03% win rate)
by jageroxorz
But you didn't explain why NEH is more consistent. All you said was "TWIY is more likely to get an early astro", which may be vitally important for TWIY but is NOT vitally important for NEH. All you've explained is that TWIY is more likely to consistently get an early Astro. You haven't explained how that translates directly to "Is more consistent at winning".As I've stated, TWIY needs Astro to win. It is severely crippled without an early Astro. NEH is not.
So, while TWIY is more consistently going to get an early Astro, that does NOT mean that it is going to consistently win more, or that it is a more consistent identity.
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Reply: Android: Netrunner:: News:: Re: Ooooh ... Alt Art Plascrete
I like the box change. Now I don't need to place in 2 tournaments to get all the loot!
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Reply: Android: Netrunner:: Rules:: Re: [PSA] Using clicks to activate abilities on cards
jakodrako wrote:
So... Like what's different now?
I'm guessing a large influx of new players over the past few months, more so then we've seen over the life of the game. Granted, I'm basing this on my own meta, so I could by way off in regards to the meta as a whole.
A larger number of new players could mean a larger number of new player questions.
I know, I'm probably just reaching.
endgame wrote:
Except for a certain dead CCG...
Touche my friend, touche.
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Reply: Android: Netrunner:: General:: Re: NBN: Near Earth Hub (Broadcast Center) is 673-288 (70.03% win rate)
by jageroxorz
NBN can ice up R&D and biotic labor or SanSan out an Astro at mid-game. HB cannot do this. Also, due to the free draws, the equivalent deck size of NBN is lower than HB.There are many NBN decks that do NOT need to score an early astro. Is it great for them? Yes. But many MN (and now NEH) decks do not NEED an early astro to win.
There's score, psychobeale, etc... all peppered in.
Astro is what makes people play NBN over HB FA. Now, you don't have to get one within the first couple of turns to win like you have to do with TWIY.
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Reply: Android: Netrunner:: General:: Re: [DECK] Whitman
Do the Easy Marks and Infiltrations do a lot of heavy lifting?
They are quick, non-resource (hence non-trashable by the Corp) cash. I have gone with three of one and one of the other, or just three of one, but keep coming back to this because it "feels" right. If forced to choose I'd take the Infiltrations over the Easy Marks because being able to see a card is so good.
The key is that they often make it possible to run on that critical turn. That one before the Corp refills the bank account or can find that one credit it needs to go off and you just need a couple credits to make the math work.
The card I hate to play is Liberated Savings. Finding six credits is often hard and then having to spend four actions to net it all is just not what this deck wants to do. You often have tags and the Corp loves spending a click and a Jefferson to make you dump tokens back in the pile.
drop the Infiltrations for a few Imps
Let me know how it goes, but don't forget you are running Whizzaaaaaard!
find the room to run Grimoire
I had Grimoire in here. But ditched it because: there is no way to tutor in this deck so you'll rarely see it when you want it; it's unique but there's nothing to do with a dead card in your hand except act as armor (while I generally only have one Atman or Darwin on the table, it's nice to have another ready to go for that seemingly inevitable face-plant into an Archer); Plascrete is better armor.
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Reply: Android: Netrunner:: General:: Re: [DECK] Whitman
by chrespo
Thanks for the comments! I'll take a variation on this deck out for a spin next time I play.TikkchikFenTikktikk wrote:
Let me know how it goes, but don't forget you are running Whizzaaaaaard!
I'd use the Imps to trash non-trashable cards, like Scorch Earth and Biotic Labor, etc.
The combination of Darwin and Atman is really cool, I am very curious to see how it pans out in practice. I am not even too scared of Swordsman or Wraparound, since Swordsman dies to Parasite and if Atman is set at 6, Wraparound isn't too tough to get through at St 7.
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Reply: Android: Netrunner:: General:: Re: [DECK] Whitman
by jakodrako
chrespo wrote:
The combination of Darwin and Atman is really cool, I am very curious to see how it pans out in practice. I am not even too scared of Swordsman or Wraparound, since Swordsman dies to Parasite and if Atman is set at 6, Wraparound isn't too tough to get through at St 7.
Atman/Darwin is one of my favorite AI icebreaker combos. I got to seventh at the bigger Seattle Plugged In Tour with a Kate Atman/Darwin deck that performed really well. It's too bad my weird Weyland/San San deck didn't do so well...
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